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King.Leoric

Super Veteran
Hello Guys and Gals!

It has crossed into my mind about differences of using Original Yamaha Oil Filter and Aftermarket or Fake Oil Filters...

I've used both but after 2000km, I used aftermarket cause they are way cheaper than OEM oil filters. I bought filter on one of the autoshop here almost beside Yamaha and the price is just PHP80 which is equal to 1.6 USD. and it was boxed with Yamaha box. One store here claims they are selling orig ones and it was boxed also with Yamaha Box and cost between 6-8 USD. But I could'n find any difference.

So any ideas how to detect OEM filters and not.

What could be the long term effect on our engine if you use fake. and also OEM oil filters..

Many thanks..

If this is discussed before, pls post the link...many thanks
 
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Jaa

Super Veteran
I think we can re use our original oil filter once or twice, you can just clean it and reuse it once you change the oil, my odo reading is already 4k and ive just had the bike 2 and a half months, been riding like crazy lol bringing in the bike to be serviced in a day or two, ill ask the yamaha mechanic if it makes a diff about the filter being orig or not
 
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YummyYamaha

New Member
some say that it's not so bad to use "fake" filters as long as you regularly change them everytime you change your oil. (read: short intervals, maybe 500-1000km)

they said it's worse eventhough you use oem filters but you seldom change them even after several change oils.

if you want to make sure, use / replace with new oem filters every change oil!!! hehe
 
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heizal

New Member
Well for me been using fave ones for as long as i know..So far my machine has clocked 30000kmh and still running without any problem.For every service interval i make sure to change the filter also.Here in my place fake ones are much much cheaper compare to the ory ones.The fake filter look exactly like the ory ones and i cant tell the different...Some say the rubber ring for ory filter better in quality but i cant seem to connect with that idea..Anybody can share their experience?
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King.Leoric said:
Hello Guys and Gals!

It has crossed into my mind about differences of using Original Yamaha Oil Filter and Aftermarket or Fake Oil Filters...

I've used both but after 2000km, I used aftermarket cause they are way cheaper than OEM oil filters. I bought filter on one of the autoshop here almost beside Yamaha and the price is just PHP80 which is equal to 1.6 USD. and it was boxed with Yamaha box. One store here claims they are selling orig ones and it was boxed also with Yamaha Box and cost between 6-8 USD. But I could'n find any difference.

So any ideas how to detect OEM filters and not.

What could be the long term effect on our engine if you use fake. and also OEM oil filters..

Many thanks..

If this is discussed before, pls post the link...many thanks
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phl6684

phl6684

Moderator
Staff member
what my fren said 2 me..if ory 1,we can change the filter for 2 time service...but i fake 1,we stil have to change it every time we servise our bike...it seem like it didnt afford to handle it..haa what im talking about here!!!.
 
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King.Leoric

Super Veteran
well thanks for input guys. As for me, I always change oil filter (fake) every change oil. Changed oil every 1000km with ELF moto Xtech (fully synthetic)
 
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King.Leoric

Super Veteran
phl6684 said:
how ur perf using that oil???what the W stat 4 that oil bro?
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10w 50 bro. Well, you will really feel the difference when you are from Shell VSX. VSX is only semi-syn. Most say our clutch will slide but never had experienced though...maybe when I use ELF campione which is 10w60 or the Repsol Fully synthetic (600+ PHP). Then maybe it will slide.

Planning to try Castrol Power 1 racing next oil change
 
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AZ135

Veteran
Unless you race your bike the 10W50 is too heavy for a LC motor and will effect your fuel economy. The heavy oil will also make it harder for your small motor to rev at high rpm. The T135 is not powerful enough to warrant a 10W50 or 10W60 for daily riding. But, if all you want is to protect your motor then you got the right oil. Elf is good stuff.
 
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King.Leoric

Super Veteran
AZ135 said:
Unless you race your bike the 10W50 is too heavy for a LC motor and will effect your fuel economy. The heavy oil will also make it harder for your small motor to rev at high rpm. The T135 is not powerful enough to warrant a 10W50 or 10W60 for daily riding. But, if all you want is to protect your motor then you got the right oil. Elf is good stuff.
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heavy oil???? Are you sure.... I believe fully synthetic oils is less in terms of viscousity compared to mineral based and semi synthetic....Maybe you mean the other way around bro...
 
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Azzurri

New Member
AZ135 said:
Unless you race your bike the 10W50 is too heavy for a LC motor and will effect your fuel economy. The heavy oil will also make it harder for your small motor to rev at high rpm. The T135 is not powerful enough to warrant a 10W50 or 10W60 for daily riding. But, if all you want is to protect your motor then you got the right oil. Elf is good stuff.
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totaly agreed with him.
bro could you suggest me type of engine oils for multipurpose uses rather than shell? Coz i noticed after using Motul 15w-50 switching gear become..smooothhh..also, after using with that viscosity, its hard to reach the top end.
anyway, how to analys our engine oils? i know theres is some fluid mechanics formula, but i wanna combine it with practically experiment to creating easy way to detect fake oils.
 
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AZ135

Veteran
King.Leoric said:
heavy oil???? Are you sure.... I believe fully synthetic oils is less in terms of viscousity compared to mineral based and semi synthetic....Maybe you mean the other way around bro...
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A 50WT oil is a 50WT oil no matter if it is synthetic or not. Given the same weight of oil the synthetic oil will flow better than the dino oil when it is COLD. When it is hot it will flow the same.

On a liquid cooled engine such as the T135 all we really need is 40WT oil. For Asian countries where the temperature is warm year round, a straight 40WT oil is even better than the multi-viscosity 10W40 oil. Since the T135 has a wet clutch system it tends to shear the oil so a straight 40WT oil is better because it will shear less over time. Shearing will make the oil thinner and reduce the protection to your engine. But, a straight 40WT oil is hard to find because it is basically a race oil viscosity. I use Redline straight 40WT racing oil when I race and Motul 10W40 when I am not.

If you ride mostly on the highway you can even go down to 10W30 4T oil for better fuel economy and higher top speed. Almost all 4T 10W30 oils are formulated for marine environment so they will cost a little more but you will get extra corrosion protection so every thing evens out. Motul, Castrol, and Repsol make synthetic 10W30 4T oils for marine applications that are just the ticket for high speed riding on the T135 or any small displacement bikes.
 
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AZ135

Veteran
Yamaha also recommend that you ride under the speed limit but most of us never do. 20W40 and 20W50 are fine when you are just commute to and from work and running errands in the city. When you start to modify your bike or operate it at the limit then the factory recommendations no longer applied.
 
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deanbalz

New Member
Bros!

just be careful of using fake oil filters. or shall i say never risk your bike which cost 80+k to a filter thats only P80.

fake oil filters might restrict the flow of oil to the essential moving parts of your bike, thus, giving you irreversible consequences to your bike.

Had an experience with my Kawasaki LTD Z250. I cant find an oil replacement, so I had it fabricated in one of the oil filter repair shop. there, it damage my engine. had to replace cam shaft.
 
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King.Leoric

Super Veteran
tnx dean..

the problem arose now is that fake and OEM filters are almost identical. How can we be sure that we are buying is original?

how about if we dont use oil filter instead? where there will be an effect?
 
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kaleidoscope

New Member
what if!!!!

mga sir gud p.m!!! newbie here!
kkchange oil ko lng and regardling dun sa oil filter, nung ngachange oil ako hindi ko nalinisan ung filter nor change it. :(
my effect po b un sa poypoy ko? <poypoy is the name of my sniper>
thnx mga sir's. Godbless
 
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