High Charge Electricity

[bhek_21]

sir based on your post I have some comment, you said that you did not connect the other yellow wire on pin 30? correct me if im wrong, In this yes you will have a fast charging activity your HID, horn etc will operate correctly but do take note you have no overload protection while on fast charging since you did not connect it to pin 30, the purpose of this is to switch your charging to fast(hid on) ang normal charging (HID off). But in your situation you are on a fast charging mode even you dont switch on your HID, dont take risk because this might kill your battery because of over charging.. IMHO,

Sir sidro question on the diagram.. PIN 30 is coming from what? from stator?

 

[Sidro]

Sir sidro question on the diagram.. PIN 30 is coming from what? from stator?

its either way for pin #3o and pin #87a these two pins serve as switch. you can connect yellow wire from either stator or yellow wire from rectifier as long as you connect these yellow wire to pins #30 and #87a after cutting it off for automatic fast charging. follow the diagram of thon, and dont alter any from the diagram for safety reason's.

 

[bhek_21]

its either way for pin #3o and pin #87a these two pins serve as switch. you can connect yellow wire from either stator or yellow wire from rectifier as long as you connect these yellow wire to pins #30 and #87a after cutting it off for automatic fast charging. follow the diagram of thon, and dont alter any from the diagram for safety reason's.

Thanks! Sir one more question, If you put a connection to pin #87 going to battery (+) and install a diode to prevent it to come back to stator, will this charge the battery faster when you are using HID? This would be safe?

 

[z33r0c00l]

sir based on your post I have some comment, you said that you did not connect the other yellow wire on pin 30? correct me if im wrong, In this yes you will have a fast charging activity your HID, horn etc will operate correctly but do take note you have no overload protection while on fast charging since you did not connect it to pin 30, the purpose of this is to switch your charging to fast(hid on) ang normal charging (HID off). But in your situation you are on a fast charging mode even you dont switch on your HID, dont take risk because this might kill your battery because of over charging.. IMHO,

ok thanks for the explanation. changed the wiring earlier, the only thing i noticed with this configuration is my panel light, headlight slightly dims when i hit the brake. could it be possible that the wattage of the bulb for the brake light is to high and I should change it to LED?

 

[guitarizta]

You have the option to change your brake light to an LED one to save power. If i'm not mistaken the stock tail light is 10Watts. But for me personally, I'm still using stock tail light since my MC is converted to fast charging one a year ago but still no lowbat up to now.

 

[thon]

You have the option to change your brake light to an LED one to save power. If i'm not mistaken the stock tail light is 10Watts. But for me personally, I'm still using stock tail light since my MC is converted to fast charging one a year ago but still no lowbat up to now.

Yamaha brake light bro is 21W..peace..
Headlight bulb type Krypton bulb
Headlight 1, 12V, 32W/32W
Auxiliary light 2, 12V, 5.0W
Brake/tail light 1, 12V, 21.0W/5.0W
Turn signal light(Front) 2, 12V, 10.0W
Turn signal light(Rear) 2, 12V, 10.0W

 

[thon]

ok thanks for the explanation. changed the wiring earlier, the only thing i noticed with this configuration is my panel light, headlight slightly dims when i hit the brake. could it be possible that the wattage of the bulb for the brake light is to high and I should change it to LED?

Dimming panel lights when you hit the brake is a sign of low bat.
No need to change brake light if your mc is already converted to fast charging.

 

[guitarizta]

hehe..i stand corrected...thanks for the info...@thon

 

[Sidro]

Thanks! Sir one more question, If you put a connection to pin #87 going to battery (+) and install a diode to prevent it to come back to stator, will this charge the battery faster when you are using HID? This would be safe?

no, the purpose of the diode is just to prevent backfire of supply or(power surge).

 

[agent*mike]

Why you need to put relay? In order not to over charge? Hahaha, you guys made me laugh!!! You're using stock rectifier why worries?!

 

[agent*mike]

cutting yellow wire can
cutting yellow can cause over charge to your battery...yes its right but there are some rewiring to be needed for the yellow cutting wire...you need to install SPDT RELAY to your rectifier to be come auto on/off...cause w/o this it might cause overcharge and make your battery lifespan short or otherwise your cdi too..find a good elect. mechanic to do the job...

We install HID for years now, it was never came to my knowledge that cutting yellow wire will cause overcharging. In fact some of my clients testified that their battery last more than a year. All you need to do is to choose branded battery. Motolite battery no matter how good the installation, it wont last a year.

 

[thon]

Why you need to put relay? In order not to over charge? Hahaha, you guys made me laugh!!! You're using stock rectifier why worries?!

Putting relay will make your mc toggle from fast charge to normal charging when HID is off just like stock charging. Fast charging will make your battery fluid boil and shorten battery life. Why not share your knowledge to t135 family how to do it correctly??!
How to make your car battery last longer

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The car battery is not only responsible for starting the engine, it is also responsible for powering the many crucial electronic components in your car.
To ensure that your battery lasts longer and performs consistently, it is important to have it checked and maintained on a regular basis.
Here are some tips to keep your battery in optimal state.

1. Using a battery causes it to discharge and recharge and eventually detoriate. This is unavoidable and is why regular checks are so important. You should note that the more electrical equipment you switch on, the fater the battery will drain.
2. Make sure your alternator is not charging at too high or too low a rate. Otherwise, the battery may not be charged correctly and will detoriate prematurely.
3. Avoid exposing batteries to extreme heat. This damages teh psoitive plates and grids, hence reducing the conductivity of the electrolyte. This result is weakened and even damaged batteries.

Tried my mc on long ride before without relay installed for fast charging and the result, battery heat build up and fluid boils. My stock battery is a year and 3 months and still I can use electric start...

 

[NOTORIOUS BOMB]

Why you need to put relay? In order not to over charge? Hahaha, you guys made me laugh!!! You're using stock rectifier why worries?!

maybe we're not genius as you when it comes to wiring etc.but i observed that it will be much better to put an SPDT RELAY cause it will served as an automatic on/off on fast charging rectifier specially on day ride.and ive seen so many mc just cut their yellow wire without using switch...the result is overcharge and now they need to change their battery...as i estimated,battery(depends on brand) range from 600 to 1k plus and SPDT RELAY cost only 100 to 150(d.i.y wirings).theres nothing wrong whether we put relay or just cut the yellow wire...its just assurance for peace of mind.always remember that prevention is better than cure...

we're sorry if our opinions make you laugh...but we dont have much budget if our battery or wiring goes wrong to fix urgently...sir thon is right,instead of laughing,why just dont you share your knowedge to our fellow t135 member...ridesafe!!!!

 

[agent*mike]

maybe we're not genius as you when it comes to wiring etc.but i observed that it will be much better to put an SPDT RELAY cause it will served as an automatic on/off on fast charging rectifier specially on day ride.and ive seen so many mc just cut their yellow wire without using switch...the result is overcharge and now they need to change their battery...as i estimated,battery(depends on brand) range from 600 to 1k plus and SPDT RELAY cost only 100 to 150(d.i.y wirings).theres nothing wrong whether we put relay or just cut the yellow wire...its just assurance for peace of mind.always remember that prevention is better than cure...

we're sorry if our opinions make you laugh...but we dont have much budget if our battery or wiring goes wrong to fix urgently...sir thon is right,instead of laughing,why just dont you share your knowedge to our fellow t135 member...ridesafe!!!!

First of all, it wasn't just your opinion! It is a recommendation/suggestion that perceived by many members that by not using relay will really damage your battery. Secondly, do I really need to explain my observation and experimentation over the years? With your current set up, I will not agree that it will last in a 2 hours traffic (evening). Lastly, I am not saying that your experiment was not right neither it's correct. I accept your opinion and I am just giving my statement for the benefit of other members.

thon
For your info, battery boils (bubbles) because it is already defective.

 

[thon]

First of all, it wasn't just your opinion! It is a recommendation/suggestion that perceived by many members that by not using relay will really damage your battery. Secondly, do I really need to explain my observation and experimentation over the years? With your current set up, I will not agree that it will last in a 2 hours traffic (evening). Lastly, I am not saying that your experiment was not right neither it's correct. I accept your opinion and I am just giving my statement for the benefit of other members.

thon
For your info, battery boils (bubbles) because it is already defective.

@agent*mike 1 week battery from 1 week MC is defective? i dont think so.

 

[guitarizta]

peace brothers...

agent*mike can you please post/share your installation diagram so as to finish this word wars with our fellow forumers here? thon and NOTORIOUS BOMB already shared their thoughts/insights about this matter so it's now your turn sir.

and can you clarify "With your current set up, I will not agree that it will last in a 2 hours traffic (evening)" - does this mean your engine is idle in traffic or still moving in a slower pace?

 

[agent*mike]

@agent*mike 1 week battery from 1 week MC is defective? i dont think so.

You're kidding me. Even a day battery can be defective. Do you have any idea how long it was in a storage before you bought it or maybe factory defect? You should think! peace men!

guitarizta
Actually my answer is already in their diagram. Simply remove the relay And about the traffic, headlight is on and off in slow moving traffic.

 

[guitarizta]

So just remove the relay and cut the yellow/red wire sir agent*mike am I correct?

 

[agent*mike]

So just remove the relay and cut the yellow/red wire sir agent*mike am I correct?

You are correct! But of course, the success or failure of your HID rides on the quality of your parts and the quality of your work. It varies how you carefully you solder connections. In addition, never purchase motorcycle parts based on price!

 

[thon]

You're kidding me. Even a day battery can be defective. Do you have any idea how long it was in a storage before you bought it or maybe factory defect? You should think! peace men!

guitarizta
Actually my answer is already in their diagram. Simply remove the relay And about the traffic, headlight is on and off in slow moving traffic.

agent*mike I can prove to you that my battery is not defective, still kicking until now,I can still use my electric start(cold start). Installing relay will revert charging status to normal when HID is off. As what others say"stay stock" so I use relay for this reason and for the duration 1 year & 3 months, Fluid level still within limits(never added distilled water).
With 1000 engine rpm & 2 hours traffic, you will not experience low bat with HID always turned on but if your engine on idle , think what will happen?! peace!