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High Charge Electricity

agent*mike

Veteran
agent*mike I can prove to you that my battery is not defective, still kicking until now,I can still use my electric start(cold start). Installing relay will revert charging status to normal when HID is off. As what others say"stay stock" so I use relay for this reason and for the duration 1 year & 3 months, Fluid level still within limits(never added distilled water). :D:p
With 1000 engine rpm & 2 hours traffic, you will not experience low bat with HID always turned on but if your engine on idle , think what will happen?!:p peace!
Sir thon I didn't say that it was totally defective. Bubbles in the battery is the indication that portion of that cell is already defective. but of course, it can still provide you enough power to run your starter. Could you please give me your battery specs and motorcycle model. I am a little bit disturbed with your testimonials. I hope you don't mind. :D
 

thon

Super Veteran
Sir thon I didn't say that it was totally defective. Bubbles in the battery is the indication that portion of that cell is already defective. but of course, it can still provide you enough power to run your starter. Could you please give me your battery specs and motorcycle model. I am a little bit disturbed with your testimonials. I hope you don't mind. :D
yamaha sniper 2010 R-eddition, stock yuasa battery 5AH...:)
 

bhek_21

Super Veteran
yamaha sniper 2010 R-eddition, stock yuasa battery 5AH...:)
thon I've already replaced my stock yuasa battery 5AH with Dyna power.. When I brought my stock battery to a battery charging station for it to be charged, the ammeter doesn't give lift up its finger (still 0). They told me that it is an indication that my battery is already dead and needs to be replaced, that is the moment I bought the dyna power battery. Can I still revive my yuasa battery?:(
 

Sidro

Super Veteran
wow, my battery boils while reading this thread.. haha,,

After backreading, I have some question(s) agent*mike sir I just need some clarification "Cutting yellow wire will give you a fast charging mode"?( sorry for my question I cant find the right sentence/word/phrase for it:D).. If yes, "Is my battery not prone to overcharge?, since am on a fast charge mode and not using all of my lights".:)

My battery is almost 3years now(stock) and haven't change yet after I bought my sniper, and have this modification on electricals(fast charging cut yellow wire) all my lights is battery driven but have this relay for fast charging like thon . Am not using HID (a 35watt bulb only).
 

thon

Super Veteran
thon I've already replaced my stock yuasa battery 5AH with Dyna power.. When I brought my stock battery to a battery charging station for it to be charged, the ammeter doesn't give lift up its finger (still 0). They told me that it is an indication that my battery is already dead and needs to be replaced, that is the moment I bought the dyna power battery. Can I still revive my yuasa battery?:(
Once a battery is dead,it can no longer be revive so battery health should always be checked. Check charging system regularly and battery fluid if your battery is not maintenance free.:)
Battery Care

Some of these occurrences can result in battery damage:
Overcharge - Charging beyond the fully charged stage at voltages greater than 14,5 V.
Can cause explosion, loss of electrolyte.

Action Required:
Check the voltage regulator/switch off external charger.
Undercharge – Charging below 13,5 volts.
Battery becomes “flat”.

Action Required:
Check for faulty contacts, voltage regulator or alternator failure.
Check for loose fan belt/alternator belt and electrical system
Battery not tight fitted in the tray
Battery is submitted to shaking and consequently subjected to external and internal irreversible damages.

Causes acid leakage, long term loss of capacity.
Cables and Connections - Dirty or worn out or broken.
Cause loss of energy to and from the battery.

Poorly tightened cable connections cause terminals heating and sparks that can explode the battery.

Corroded clamps cause high resistance and power loss.
Excessive discharge
If frequent short trips are made in urban traffic with electrical accessories running: (air-conditioning system, an, seat heaters, heated rear window, windscreen wipers, lights, etc.), the starter battery can become flat, even with the engine running. This can lead to starting problems, particularly in the winter.
Current draw
Even when the car is parked, electronic control and storage chips need to be supplied continuously with energy. (Electronic modules, alarm system etc.) They draw this energy from the battery and can consequently discharge it over time.
Short - Circuit - An "external short circuit" can occur if the external terminals of a battery are bridged by any kind of conducting material.
Depending on the battery system, a short circuit may have serious consequences. For example, electrolyte ejection from the battery. This can cause injuries. An explosion may even occur.
 

thon

Super Veteran
Watch watch mode
Sir gagana tong circuit nato pero kailangan magaling ka sa electronics para gawin ito saka masyadong mababa charging voltage . Wala ding values mga resistors.
Q1 will conduct when D1 reaches 12.6 volts. So pinagsoshort ng SCR(BT151) ang stator coil when battery voltage reach 13.3 (12.6 D1 voltage plus 0.7v Q1 base emitter juction.
You will need additional diode in series with D1 to increase charging voltage from 13.3V to 14V. Adding 1 diode in series ng D1 raise the charging voltage to 14v and another diode will make it 14.7Volts. D4-D7 convert AC to DC voltage from rectifier to battery.
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correct me if i'm wrong.:)
 

agent*mike

Veteran
wow, my battery boils while reading this thread.. haha,,


After backreading, I have some question(s) agent*mike sir I just need some clarification "Cutting yellow wire will give you a fast charging mode"?( sorry for my question I cant find the right sentence/word/phrase for it:D).. If yes, "Is my battery not prone to overcharge?, since am on a fast charge mode and not using all of my lights".:)


My battery is almost 3years now(stock) and haven't change yet after I bought my sniper, and have this modification on electricals(fast charging cut yellow wire) all my lights is battery driven but have this relay for fast charging like thon . Am not using HID (a 35watt bulb only).
You just said you'd back read. I assumed that you already found the answer. I dont want to repeat my answers to all your questions. It's already in my previous post and besides you are all entitled to your own opinion. :D

thon
I guess you made a lot of research about battery, battery of automobile? You can't compare motorcycle battery to a car battery. A 13.5volts is still high charge and below 12.5 volts is discharged in motorcycle battery.
 

xXcastXx

Super Veteran
Sir gagana tong circuit nato pero kailangan magaling ka sa electronics para gawin ito saka masyadong mababa charging voltage . Wala ding values mga resistors.
Q1 will conduct when D1 reaches 12.6 volts. So pinagsoshort ng SCR(BT151) ang stator coil when battery voltage reach 13.3 (12.6 D1 voltage plus 0.7v Q1 base emitter juction.
You will need additional diode in series with D1 to increase charging voltage from 13.3V to 14V. Adding 1 diode in series ng D1 raise the charging voltage to 14v and another diode will make it 14.7Volts. D4-D7 convert AC to DC voltage from rectifier to battery.
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correct me if i'm wrong.:)

Thats my design sir... and for the values of the capacitors resistor and the transistor... iahve the values.. hindi ko lang iniclude..
actually that is a single phase regulator...
 

thon

Super Veteran
You just said you'd back read. I assume you already found the answer. I dont want to repeat my answers to all your questions. It's already in my previous post and besides you are all entitled to your own opinion. :D

thon
I guess you made a lot of research about battery, battery of automobile? You can't compare motorcycle battery to a car battery. A 13.5volts is still high charge and below 12.5 volts is discharged in motorcycle battery.
@agent*mike Car battery and motorcycle battery,they are all the same sir, the only difference is the current carrying capacity (2sm)50Ah or higher.
Battery care for car and motorcycle are also the same.
I agree with you sir, 13.5 volt is still high charge while below 12 volts ,its deeply discharge.
 
whew!!!never thought it will come to this point...by the way,to end this discussion,its only up to those guest or other new member w/c will they apply on their mc.whether they use spdt relay or just cut the yellow/red wire,it all up to them...we already shared our own thoughts and beliefs regarding on fast charging rectifier and we already did our part on helping them for their mc...we are all brothers in here and i learned so many things on this thread....thumbs up to master agent*mike and master thon...:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
 

agent*mike

Veteran
@agent*mike Car battery and motorcycle battery,they are all the same sir, the only difference is the current carrying capacity (2sm)50Ah or higher.
Battery care for car and motorcycle are also the same.
I agree with you sir, 13.5 volt is still high charge while below 12 volts ,its deeply discharge.
No sir, that is why there are types of battery. If motorcycle and car batteries are the same, motolite should excel then. Anyway, let's end this up just like sir Notorious Bomb said. Thank you sirs.
 

Sidro

Super Veteran
You just said you'd back read. I assumed that you already found the answer. I dont want to repeat my answers to all your questions. It's already in my previous post and besides you are all entitled to your own opinion. :D




my apology agent*mike from asking already answered question, but I'm not on my own opinion "dito ko lang natutunan ang ganitong modification". Anyway thanks for the answers.
Just want some assurance from experts and experienced like you/guys to avoid some mistakes.:)

Keep it up guys!!,, All members I think is learning from this thread......
 
agent*mike and thon....im just wondrin'...what will happen if your stock rectifier get busted?lets say that your mc is converted to battery operated(no stator consuming power).whether theres a relay or none...what would be the possible or much worst will happen to mc?how can you say that your rectifier is busted when your mc is battery operated(unlike in stator power,when your panel light,headlight,parklight and tail light get busted...it indicates that your rectifier is busted because of too much elect.supply)? :eek::eek::eek:
 

thon

Super Veteran
panu maging positve ung number 85 papa?
pin 85,86 are relay coil terminals, supply voltage on this pins can be reversed, pin 86 or 85 can be connected to ground or positive supply. If pin 85 connected to ground then pin 86 should be connected to positive supply. Applying supply voltage on this terminal will toggle relay contacts from Normally closed pin87A (NC) to normally open pin 87(NO) . In my diagram yellow wire is connected to C(common) and NC, when relay is activated(headlight switch on) then yellow wire connection be cut.;)
 

che phags

New Member
can u pls show the diagram of the stator core and how it was assembled and the diagram of the rectifier/regulator so that we could understand how it became fast charging when we cut red/yellow wire.
 

che phags

New Member
pin 85,86 are relay coil terminals, supply voltage on this pins can be reversed, pin 86 or 85 can be connected to ground or positive supply. If pin 85 connected to ground then pin 86 should be connected to positive supply. Applying supply voltage on this terminal will toggle relay contacts from Normally closed pin87A (NC) to normally open pin 87(NO) . In my diagram yellow wire is connected to C(common) and NC, when relay is activated(headlight switch on) then yellow wire connection be cut.;)
thon can u show me diagram whats inside the stator coil?
 

che phags

New Member
and whats the meaning of 8.5 mark on the rectifiers heat sink?
because i have also here rectifier/ regulator marked 7.3.1 and had a larger casing or heat sink just the same with lc135s regulator also have 4 pins.
 
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